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So a lot of stuff has happened the past month, We have been contacted on several occasions about people accusing Eddy of cheating, People made recordings and sent these to us on several occasions, sadly someone posted all the evidence publicly while they were told not to so we could gather more(it wasn't definitive proof). Because of this we are unable to ban Eddy because we have no definitive proof of him cheating. We(the admin team) have decided that he will have to stream all of his matches and gathers, failure to do so will get him temporarily banned for an increasing amount of time for each time he fails to stream a match/gather he plays in.
Caltech wanted more evidence to get eddy banned so he installed cheats and made a comparison video between recordings of eddy and his own plays with cheats(in public and private matches). From my knowledge he has not done this during gathers/matches but even so, installing cheats is not allowed. We have no idea if caltech will use these cheats in gathers/matches. He will get the same punishment as eddy(streaming and getting banned if he fails to stream a gather/match he plays).
The punishment of having to stream their matches/gathers goes in effect starting Wednesday March the 2nd at 00:00 CET so they have time to know about this decision before it goes in affect ( several failed attempts at contacting them resulted in the decisions to start it on wednesday)
Please note that going out on a witch hunt will not solve the problem of cheaters. If you spot something suspicious just contact us and not contact half the community to record him/her, they will notice and make sure to tone it down / temporarily disable their cheats to not get spotted and then cheat actively once it blows over.
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so can caltech and eddy just record locally then upload rather than stream while they play. having performance issues from streaming live might be a problem for people who do not have the right computer setup.
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RIP CALTECH LOL
This is really not fair in my opinion but i've tried this often enough to know that pointing it out won't do anything.
SO why don't you just first person spec eddy each match he plays if he's unable to stream? If people don't have the setup to be able to stream without performance issues it's ridiculously unfair to just decide this... solely based on caltech's hate and wish for a witchhunt............ @
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As i think it'S all nice and stuff with the streaming I can see at least 2 major concerns about this.
1.) Are u aware that there is possibilitys to have gamechanging stuff not be shown in stream like the steam gameoverlay does not show in stream when streaming the game directly instead of a monitor recording in obs? So there is stuff that can't be seen in streams or recordings. Just keep that in mind.
2.) Are u aware that there are still ppl out there without the technical possibility to stream? I for instance only have 6Mb/s bandwith which leaves me at 0,5 Mb/s upload. there is no way i could ever stream with that. (uploading a recording afterwards takes me around 24h for 3h of gameplay while only recording the rounds itselves. Just curious what you gonna do if that's the case with one of both.
and I'm not even talking about the b4 mentioned impact of performance.
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Since it is public anyway.... link to the videos?
I'll weigh in my opinion: streaming has a huge impact on your performance if you don't have an extremely strong CPU with appropriate hardware supplementing it. Essentially what Phone said.
As Absurdon mentions, upload speed can make the game UNPLAYABLE if you are streaming at any bitrate. I can't play while streaming without huge lag and I have 1.7mbps upload.
I think this is not the proper response, I think this should have been more thoroughly thought out. Forcing local record and being uploaded to unlisted youtube videos that admins have access to would likely be the better approach.
Doing so with shadowplay would cause no performance loss and no lag during rounds.
@GORGEous those videos are pretty much a joke imo. Unless you believe that screen shaking = cheating.
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Uhm, i see alot of people concerned about the streaming part.. Where were you guys when Eiss had to stream? No one seem to object on that part back then.
Will Eddy have to stream his mouse movement also? I mean if the jitter stops out of nowhere when the past recordings have shown that there is clearly a huge jitter from his way of playing with the mouse. Which was the most suspect part and unnatural movement which started this Topic
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@Absurdon - The steam overlay problem can easily be fixed, if the cheats are indeed there. Force players to stream their screen(s), instead of their game.
If you are concerned about performance, stream in a shitty bitrate and other low setting to minimise influence on your performance. You just need to prove that you are not recieving additional information, or any aim toggle or aimbot is active - that should not require a very high standart of streaming. As dragon has pointed out in another topic (cant remember which), cheating isnt caught at great aiming, but caught at atypical aiming or movement. Evilbot killing dodging lerks but failing to even hit moving drifters is one example.
But what happened to the great new software for catching cheaters? Broken?
"It is wisdom to recognize necessity, when all other courses have been weighed, despite as folly it may appear to those who cling to false hope" - J.R.R. Tolkien
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I want to remind everyone that spectating ingame does not produce the same view as the spectated player.
In other words, a example.
Yaluzan is suspected of cheats.
DCDarkling specs Yaluzan.
In reality DCDarkling spectates what the server judges Yaluzan has on screen/is doing.
So DCDarkling is NOT speccing what Yaluzan is doing. On Yaluzans screen he has a slightly different view then what the server thinks. Latency, interp etc etc.
So that makes ingame spectating a rough indication at best.
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Eddy is actually a robot. it took his AI over a year to program a speech component which is why he only started talking a little bit ago.
But really... I would love to see these vids too.
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I in fact did NOT watch any video about Eddy. I dont care. I am in no position to ban anyone, so I dont need to be involved in banning.. as for mouse movement... ill copy/paste something I said elsewhere.
Note I am in no way a professional in cheat detection. Far from. I just see big flaws in going on mouse movement alone. Thankfully my example is easy to reproduce.:)
Not bothering to watch any videos I am not inclined to take weird jitter in the mouse as evidence
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if I record with shadowplay and watch this back I already have weird jitters because im recording 60fps max from a 144 source. Sure I dont always hit max fps which makes it even worse. So you record a variable framerate with a fixed framerate and expect smooth mouse movement in the video.. really?
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Add to that all the fuss with recording over latency and hah, GLHF
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im more inclined to believe evidence due to continues snapping over high areas or players reacting to stuff they can not possibly know
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but that requires the client to record in good detail, because if you track a skulk on sound you want the recording to HAVE that in it.. etc etc
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Watched the videos, i dont know what you guys are on about :D
Maybe he has rly high mouse sens and has to adjust his aim all the time so it jitters.
fucking which hunts, ppl can be so rash to accuse sb of cheating and just sticking to it without actual evidence. Its not like with simple who just hit every pistol bullet or shot 50%
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I don't think people are misguided for having very high red flags after watching the videos. Do we know for sure someone is hacking from a video? Not if it's a small collection, and there's a good explanation. It's difficult because it may not be easy to prove someone is hacking beyond what the videos show.
Eddy could have a very unique way of aiming. It doesn't make sense to me, and I haven't seen it in this community yet. But maybe someone can show me an example of someone else that aims just like eddy does. But just to clear up a couple points...
Just because his accuracy isn't really high every game doesn't mean he isn't hacking. You can set up aim bots very specifically. You can burst fire which caltech showed in his comparison video....you miss more and you don't insta kill life forms, but you do consistent good damage which eddy does in those videos. Also Eddy shoots the walls at interesting times. We all make mistakes, maybe eddy just tried to pre fire when he didn't need to or didn't know he couldn't hit something.
I think the red flags from these videos warrant looking into it more. I don't want every team that plays eddy's team to have doubt about his play. I also agree with wanting thorough evidence to ban someone or have the person admit to it.
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The video is definitely weird, but the thing I try to keep in mind is that its very possible (And pretty likely) that when watching a video like this, the recorder has cherry picked the best scenes to make his/her point as strongly as possible. he/she is telling a story... these could be the most extreme cases of random twitching eddy did over 3 months... or it could all be from 1 day... if its from 1 day, then yeah, he is incredibly suspicious, if its over 3 months, those 4 - 5 scenes can't be trusted at face value, they could be anomalies.
On top of that, the person recording and showing you this information is confessing and demonstrating that he knows how to use the cheats... which imo lowers the credibility of the claim even further.
An example of the logic imo is as follows:
If you examine enough muffins, eventually you will find the face of elvis... does that mean elvis is in all muffins?... no it doesn't, it just means that in this particular situation you have seen something weird and jumped to the conclusion that it is normal and frequent. Not only that but you are encouraged to think that way based off of the comments of the muffin maker.
If Caltech took a disliking to eddy, then its possible he could try to ruin his reputation... and calling cheats is likely one of the best ways of doing that in an FPS game. (NOTE: I am NOT saying that this is the case, only that it is a possibility, I don't talk to either person involved so am entirely neutral in this)
I do think the behavior demonstrated in the video is indeed very suspicious, and evidence should be provided to prove that this is genuinely not cheating... streaming isn't a sufficient way to do that imo, because you can hide all manner of crap from your stream... but as suggested above, a simple phone recording of the PC monitor during games would suffice, and prevents any unnecessary performance loss.
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I'm not sure why eddy is being forced to stream in order to play. I understand the suspicion towards him with regards to his aiming style, but none of those videos are proof of cheating. They're only red flags that show he should continue to be watched.
The difference between eddy and Eissfeldt with respect to this ruling is that eddy is only suspected of cheating, whereas Eiss ended up with a VAC ban, essential proving that he had installed cheats at some point - the situation that Caltech is in now.
To sum up my opinion of the situation:
eddy should be watched, yes, but the onus is on the admin team to provide referees to watch/record instead of forcing him to stream in order to play matches (and LOL forced to stream gathers). More power to eddy if he decides to stream in order to help 'clear his name'.
Caltech should be forced to stream in order to play matches due to having provided proof that he has installed cheats.
I know someone is going to say that I'm only siding with eddy because we're friends. We're not really. We played some gathers at the same time and I started picking him because he impressed me with some of his plays. I would defend anyone that was being wildly accused like this simply because it's happened to me before in other games.
greatest casualty yet of this whole sordid affair: my feelings
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