the main reason we got simple on the team was to prove his not legitness

tyrer1246 says

Spring says

ADHD says

Golden says

Why has the Season 7 Div 1 Finals not changed to Lucky Chams in the Hall of Fame?

Theres no doubt that his cheating had a huge outcome in multiple games in the finals. We would probably have easily taken rounds and not had a tie breaker.

I have no problem with giving chams the win, but you have zero(0) proof of him cheating during the finals, and your salt won't help turning it your way.

Basic logic spring, if simple could play at DIY's level without cheats then he wouldn't have made them. If he only recently made them after the game, he would of appealed to the admins with it, seeking a more lenient punishment. Eissfeldt did it with wall hacking, to catch a wall hacker.

They don't have to prove he cheated in the match. When evilbot was found to be cheating, all match results were overturned without proof for every single match. Simple has been proven to be cheating and his matches should be overturned!

At the very least, a rematch between DIY and lucky chams should be done. If such a match cannot be done then the win should be given to lucky chams, reward the players that competed legit not those that had a cheater.

Read message above, rules state "current season". Evilbot's match results were overturned because it was the CURRENT season. We're talking about last season.

If you're going to go by logic rather than proof, then all I can, and want to say, is "lol".

Besides, the main reason we got simple on the team was to prove his not legitness because we (or atleast, I) were/was 100% sure he was using something external. We told people to keep an eye on him, and noone did. You can blame whoever is supposed to take care of that, not the team.

If Chams had an issue with it during the finals, because it's not like they didn't know about it, they could've told their concerns to us, or the ensl, and got someone to spec the game for them. Why won't anyone deal with the issues at hand rather than deal with them months later..

I'll make it really simple for you. pun intended.

provide proof that he cheated during the finals.

thx.

I'll make it really simple for you. pun intended.

provide proof that he cheated during the finals.

thx.

no, that's proof he was cheating in a scrim a couple of days ago.
provide said finals proof and we'll evaluate.

otherwise you're not helping your cause.

the main reason we got simple on the team was to prove his not legitness

I have a "simple" solution to this.

Rather than bitching and moaning, just repeat the match... but with specific rules.

1. Each team must field EXACTLY the same team they fielded originally... no mercs allowed.
2. "If" one team is unable to field 6 players, they are not able to play and therefore forfeit the match, unless they are willing to play with X amount of players missing.
3. Any player that is currently banned would for obvious reasons, but unable to participate in said match.

Bring on the season 7 finals!

Kash says

I have a "simple" solution to this.

Rather than bitching and moaning, just repeat the match... but with specific rules.

1. Each team must field EXACTLY the same team they fielded originally... no mercs allowed.
2. "If" one team is unable to field 6 players, they are not able to play and therefore forfeit the match, unless they are willing to play with X amount of players missing.
3. Any player that is currently banned would for obvious reasons, be unable to participate in said match.

Bring on the season 7 finals!

Not gonna happen, diy is mostly broken up and you don't want to field simple again, do you? :p

9. Cheating
(a) Cheating in any form is considered a violation of the rules and will result in an immediate punishment to be determined by the NSL.
(b) Cheating is considered any manipulation of server configurations, client configurations, models, skins, weapons, graphics settings, or sounds to gain an unfair advantage in game. This can also include, but is not limited to, the use of any third party program not deemed legal by the NSL.
(c) It is illegal to intentionally utilize any game exploits including any exploits that are not explicitly covered in the rules. The NSL staff have discretion to determine the intention and extent of any exploit used in game. Players found intentionally utilizing game exploits to gain an unfair advantage over their opponents may face suspension or forfeits of rounds.
(d) It is illegal to use a map exploit in an attempt to gain an unfair advantage that was not in the original intent of the game or mapmaker. Players found in violation of these rules will be penalized at the discretion of the NSL staff.
(e) In the event that a player or team is found in violation of any rule, unless otherwise noted by the specific rule or term violated, the member or team in question may be warned, suspended, or immediately disqualified from any or all NSL events.
(f) Any team found with a cheating player during season will have any matches the player in question participated in forfeited. Any team found with a cheating player during any playoff or tournament will be immediately disqualified and removed from the event.

Alright so we have contacted Simple to clarify some more about his tools and when he used them.
Due to a CDT patch in the past(I believe last summer?) his tools broke. "time with diy: no, hack was broken for some time due to a cdt patch" He also said he wasn't able to use them in the finals in any way.
Now you ask "Then how could he play on the same level as diy without cheats, isn't that why he made them?" People improve. He used to be on PFG that won div 4 back in season 4, played for HBZ in div 5-6 that were div 2 and div 1 respectively. And then he joined diy where he played in season 7.

Yes we do have to take this with a grain of salt, but its the only thing regarding his time in diy.

Bullshit. He is covering for his buddies because they're facing the consequences of his actions.

He claims a CDT patch in the summer (so ~6 months ago) broke his tools. Yet he was just recently caught using those tools to cheat in a gather/scrim?

Are you really going to ask the very trustworthy cheater when he did and did not cheat? lol...

Yaluzan says

Alright so we have contacted Simple to clarify some more about his tools and when he used them.
Due to a CDT patch in the past(I believe last summer?) his tools broke. "time with diy: no, hack was broken for some time due to a cdt patch" He also said he wasn't able to use them in the finals in any way.
Now you ask "Then how could he play on the same level as diy without cheats, isn't that why he made them?" People improve. He used to be on PFG that won div 4 back in season 4, played for HBZ in div 5-6 that were div 2 and div 1 respectively. And then he joined diy where he played in season 7.

Yes we do have to take this with a grain of salt, but its the only thing regarding his time in diy.

No offense asking him and still believing in his honesty is nice and all but he cant really be trusted now. :|
Once you fuck up its done.

Why are there even People arguing in favor of simple? Repeating one match cant be that hard and it would Show that cheaters / cheating isnt tolerated and has consequences. Cant believe that has to be said.

edit: If I would win with a cheater in my Team the win would feel tainted und undeserved. Id not refer to any rules and try to find a loophole, id just replay it with another teammember or a merc..
There is no Price for winning a Season, so why wouldnt you?

Alright so we have contacted Simple to clarify some more about his tools and when he used them.
Due to a CDT patch in the past(I believe last summer?) his tools broke. "time with diy: no, hack was broken for some time due to a cdt patch" He also said he wasn't able to use them in the finals in any way.

there's no proof he cheated in HBZ, just suspicion
there's no proof he cheated in diy, just suspicion
there's no proof he cheated in Season 7 finals, just suspicion
there's proof he cheated in the scrims the other day.

I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand.